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Scottish Parliament PDA Petition. PEO 1625 .
  • Holly59
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    http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01625

    Our submission to Parliament is now online.

    The Scottish Government will meet on the 30 th March to discuss the responses .Mary and I are not required to attend.

    You will be able to watch this live . Once I receive a time and which Committee Room I will post the details .

    Can we once again thank all of those people who responded on and off the Forum . Our sincere thanks go to Euan Robson for his patience and understanding.

    Pat and Mary .
  • Holly59
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    I sincerely hope the research suggested to Parliament highlights articles like these , exactly what we have explained in evidence both verbally and at the initial Petition Stage .

    http://www.pdasociety.org.uk/files/download/14dd731c9fae39a

    http://yvonnenewbold.com/childhood-violence-autism-pda-adhd-or-a-learning-disability-conference/

    https://www.facebook.com/thepdasociety

    Read the evidence for themselves on the PDA FB and Forum of the Worldwide Interest of the Webinar and the massive surge to promote and set up desperately needed support groups .

    As well as the negative we must also promote the positive side with correct Stratagies.

    http://www.berwickshirenews.co.uk/news/hannah-takes-on-ben-nevis-and-wins-1-4148921

    PDA is exactly the same as Aspbergers, each case is unique. How the symptoms present in Mary's Hannah and my two boys are complety different . Hannah is extreme PDA , my youngest was obvious from birth, the elder of the two boys was subtle but as he got older the symptoms intensified.

    http://www.autismassociates.co.uk/

    Training required at all levels.

    At present PDA is very much a Post Code Lottery. We need consistency, early intervention, acurrate PDA Stratagies and most importantly support.

    Pat and Mary xx
  • Holly59
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    FOR SOUTH LANARKSHIRE (but good to see PDA on it):
    Subject: Re: PACT/SLT Training in ARCH
    I’m pleased to let you know that the plans to host a rolling programme of training workshops facilitated by the Paediatric Autism Consultancy Team (PACT) and Speech and Language Therapy Team (SLT) are now in their final stages, and will commence in the next month or so within ARCH.
    These will cover the following areas;
    · The Paediatric Autism diagnosis Process in NHS Lanarkshire
    · How a child or young person with autism is given their diagnosis
    · Information for parents of children with a Demand Avoidant profile (PDA)
    · Information for Professionals supporting children with Autism and Demand Avoidant profile
    · Visual Helpers workshop for pre-school children with Autism.
    · Social Stories and Comic Strip Cartoons for children with Autism.
    The day we’ve identified for these workshops will be on a Tuesday afternoon within the ARCH centre, and there are two of each specific workshop to be held over the course of the next 12 months. This means there should be 12 workshops in total…one per month once they commence.
    I will give you plenty of advance notice when the workshops are scheduled to begin, so you can submit expression of interest.
    There will be a maximum of 20 places on each workshop with a ‘first come; first served’ approach to signing up. We’ll obviously encourage as many parent carers from across South Lanarkshire to participate, although there will be one programme specifically targeted for professionals..
    This training commitment represents a significant investment from our NHS Lanarkshire colleagues into the autism agenda, and I look forward to welcoming the team to ARCH in the coming months.
    Reid Street
    Burnbank
    HAMILTON
    South Lanarkshire
    ML3 0RQ

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1129228007099112/

    Posted on the Scottish PDA awareness FB page.

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2t46-yr08vE

    These videos on YouTube of Harry explaining how PDA affects him are amazing.

    One of his statements about late diagnosis Aspbergers but it didn't cover everything rings so true in my family .

    At 19 and 20 we still don't have all the answers , it's exactly the same for Hannah she presents with Hypermobility, SPD and Dyspraxia none of which have been recognised.

    My youngest has just been diagnosed with Hypermobility, like Hannah should have been recognisable since birth.

    Hannah's Autism and Hypermobility were recognised by a nursery teacher but blatently ignored all those years.

    Pat
  • Holly59
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    http://www.smarttalkersblog.com/2016/06/the-delayed-effect-of-anxiety-on.html

    " Masking " always gets a massive response on Forums .

    That and School refusal were mentioned by me in Parliament .

    http://thejigsawtree.org/school-refusal

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    http://www.parliament.scot/S5_PublicPetitionsCommittee/Meeting Papers/Public_Briefing_Papers_-_30_March_2017.pdf

    http://www.scottishparliament.tv/

    As you will appreciate it's difficult to give an exact time frame for Thursday , our Petition is last to be heard .

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    http://www.scottishparliament.tv/Home/Index/58d93386-a74b-4dfa-9765-0f6927a919e1

    Committee Room 5 .

    Unfortunately no time frame ! Ours is last on the agenda today .

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    Hi,

    Just a quick update the Petitions Committee are requesting further evidence .

    They were very disappointed by COSLA not responding .

    We are through to the next stage .

    You can watch it on the screen ,which says Public Petitions Committee with a clock showing.


    If scroll along to near the end .

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01625

    Latest submission from Falkirk .

    Petition History PE1625G

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    Well they are factually incorrect in "differentiated disorder from that of the recognised Autistic Spectrum Disorder" because they should have said other ASDs, not just ASD, because PDA is an ASD and then: "there appears to be a need for greater research and practitioner debate, before a substantial decision of this nature should be made" just confirming the government's pathetic response is agreed with, so entirely unhelpful to the cause. And if that's how they feel, why do they admit being aware of PDA and offering local families support with it!
  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    Well they are factually incorrect in "differentiated disorder from that of the recognised Autistic Spectrum Disorder" because they should have said other ASDs, not just ASD, because PDA is an ASD and then: "there appears to be a need for greater research and practitioner debate, before a substantial decision of this nature should be made" just confirming the government's pathetic response is agreed with, so entirely unhelpful to the cause. And if that's how they feel, why do they admit being aware of PDA and offering local families support with it!



    Interesting isn't it . Covers all their backs . It's a case of "Yes"and "No"but we support the families with PDA . That's a positive start .

    It proves how misunderstood PDA is among the Professionals.

    Have you noticed Planetautism the huge increase of folks looking for support and advice recently on FB and the Forum about PDA. It nearly takes your breath away . Absolutely terrifying.

    Managed to catch an Independent Councillor today and gave his information for his school. He is on the PTA so gave his a leaflet and a quick briefing !!

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    There are definitely increasing numbers as the public becomes more aware. Born Naughty was probably responsible in part for heightened awareness. Trouble is, professionals who don't want to acknowledge PDA even twist that into parents seeing something on TV and then wanting to excuse their poor parenting with a handy diagnosis. They completely undermine the Eureka moment, of a parent with a child with such a condition finally having the penny drop moment and realising it completely fits and most parents have tried everything already. It's just the snide, parent-blame culture that continues unabated which riles me.
  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    There are definitely increasing numbers as the public becomes more aware. Born Naughty was probably responsible in part for heightened awareness. Trouble is, professionals who don't want to acknowledge PDA even twist that into parents seeing something on TV and then wanting to excuse their poor parenting with a handy diagnosis. They completely undermine the Eureka moment, of a parent with a child with such a condition finally having the penny drop moment and realising it completely fits and most parents have tried everything already. It's just the snide, parent-blame culture that continues unabated which riles me.



    The " lightbulb" moment for me was reading Jane Sherwins Book , My daughter is not naughty. The Aspbergers diagnosis answered so many questions but not all.

    “I am a mum with two teenage daughters wrongly diagnosed. Both present with blatant PDA but it’s not recognised here. Night after night they verbally and physically abuse me. Because the school and CAMHS won’t recognise PDA, the correct strategies are not being used. They have destroyed so many precious things in rages. Medication makes them worse. The bruises and horrible things they say, blatant lies. I am terrified of my children. I can’t find anyone to help or who understands. I can’t tell anyone or they will take my children into care. I will be accused of abuse. They totally control their lives and mine. I rarely leave the house. I get no support, no respite. I fight a system that totally has failed my children and my family. The Children’s Panel are involved, the Social Worker ridicules me. The option is I leave my children and they will be taken into care. I have prayed and prayed but no help comes. I just want all this to end.”

    Part of our submission evidence to the Scottish Parliament. A very brave mum allowed me to share her email to me . There are so many more like it .


    Says it all really .


    Pat xx

  • PlanetAutism
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    So many of us have been there, done that and got the T-shirt (and the cement mixer of wine)...
  • PlanetAutism
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    Oh my God. Trying to stop myself swearing here...

    "A young person with ASD may have a co-existing mental health condition
    (anxiety, depression, attachment disorder) that risks being misidentified as PDA."



    http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/4812/1/Kendall-Jones14ApEd.pdf

    "5.3.2 Concurrent Difficulties
    There is some evidence to support the contention that children with ASD commonly have concurrent difficulties with attachment, not attributable to the way they were parented.

    The research found that the children who went on to be diagnosed with ASD exhibited more disorganised attachment and less involvement than those who did not. However, the parents of these children were found to be equally sensitive as the parents of children who did not subsequently receive a diagnosis. Hence, later impairments in the attachment behaviours of these children could not be attributed to poorly attuned parenting.

    This pattern was not found in the group without ASD, in which the sensitivity of parents
    positively correlated with the security of their children. In addition, the research found that the level of severity of autistic symptoms displayed in the social domain predicted attachment security, with more severe symptoms predicting less attachment security. The authors contended that these findings called attachment theory’s validity into question, challenging the purported link between attachment security and parenting (Ainsworth et al., 1978).

    Further, they suggest that children with ASD may have a biologically limited ability to form secure attachments (Van Ijzendoorn et al., 2007). If attachment difficulties are, as this study suggests, a feature of ASD, this has implications for the diagnostic process.

    Differential diagnosis employing a measure designed to assess whether a child’s behavioural presentation is more in line with one or the other difficulty would not be valid."



    "- PDA is described as a “pervasive development disorder”

    Providing a biological explanation for behaviour may limit engagement in evidence based interventions (such as parenting programmes). Good clinical practice would consider biopsychosocial models for understanding and responding to the behaviour."



    They have completely misunderstood that PDA is an ASD sub-type and that this is why it's described as a pervasive developmental disorder. (Don't they read the NAS!) Proof that they are pushing parenting programmes by default instead of diagnosing a neurodevelopmental disorder! Talk about failing children. Hang your heads in shame Western Isles.

    How can they recommend ignoring the cause of the behaviours?!
  • Holly59
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    I was shocked but not surprised at the lack of understanding of PDA.

    Just read a report from Citizens Advise about Mental Health Services on one the Islands . GPs quote " Poor" plus the massive transport difficulties , housing , job situation , accessing services . Depressing was an underestimation.

    Wonder if the Trustees should send a few copies of the PDA Clinicians Guide to the folks on the letter so they can research the evidence in detail .Hopefully they could watch the Webinar and read the case histories .



    Pat xx



  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    So many of us have been there, done that and got the T-shirt (and the cement mixer of wine)...



    http://archive.scottish.parliament.uk/business/petitions/pdfs/PE794.pdf

    Shame someone never followed this up . 1 in 49 then, I reckon that figure is probably 1 in 20 now ! Could even be as low as 1 in 10 if you include the Co Morbid .

    There are still major issues in Inverness by people posting on here .

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    http://www.parliament.scot/S5_Education/General Documents/20170222ESASNSubmissions.pdf

    There is a lot of reading in this document .

    Horrific the state of ASL in Scotland .

    Page 24 Planetautism is so true . I am helping a mum in exactly that position. Working class, has struggled herself throughout the Education System with issues and been ignored by teachers .

    Not now , she has the " A" helping her .

    It's rather Politically Incorrect assuming if you are working class you are not itteligent ! So wrong .


    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    They assume everyone living in a deprived area is a crap parent who doesn't give their child boundaries and needs to go on parenting classes.


    "identification with ASN might lead to unnecessary labelling of transient difficulties with potentially stigmatising effects."



    Rubbish. It's not as if it would be announced to all their peers. If a child needs support they need support, you can't not give it in case they get teased. And all of this attitude is down to the cock-up that is inclusion. If children with certain needs were in specialist schools there would be no 'concerns' about stigma!

    "middle class parents may be able to engage more actively with educational professionals, enabling them to secure better support for their children and challenge local authority decisions. Children with less assertive parents, often from less advantaged
    backgrounds, may have their difficulties ignored and parents may lack the social and
    economic resources to secure the type of legal redress associated with a CSP"



    Blatant elitist discrimination.

    "Children from the least advantaged neighbourhoods are more than twice as likely to be identified with social, emotional, and behavioural difficulties, a particularly stigmatising label."



    Well that describes autism, so they could be admitting that children in those areas are less likely to be correctly diagnosed!
  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    They assume everyone living in a deprived area is a crap parent who doesn't give their child boundaries and needs to go on parenting classes.


    "identification with ASN might lead to unnecessary labelling of transient difficulties with potentially stigmatising effects."



    Rubbish. It's not as if it would be announced to all their peers. If a child needs support they need support, you can't not give it in case they get teased. And all of this attitude is down to the cock-up that is inclusion. If children with certain needs were in specialist schools there would be no 'concerns' about stigma!

    "middle class parents may be able to engage more actively with educational professionals, enabling them to secure better support for their children and challenge local authority decisions. Children with less assertive parents, often from less advantaged
    backgrounds, may have their difficulties ignored and parents may lack the social and
    economic resources to secure the type of legal redress associated with a CSP"



    Blatant elitist discrimination.

    "Children from the least advantaged neighbourhoods are more than twice as likely to be identified with social, emotional, and behavioural difficulties, a particularly stigmatising label."



    Well that describes autism, so they could be admitting that children in those areas are less likely to be correctly diagnosed!


    Stopped at that page so incensed .

    Horrific first hand statements from teachers, Additional Needs Assistants , everyone on trying to cope with so many children with Additional Needs .

    The system is in crisis . The Government has been told for years that inclusion needs trained staff and units like The!Micas Unit at Dyce Academy at Aberdeen for Autism Spectrum . It was suppose to be a flagship unit for Autism Spectrum that would be in every High School. It was never rolled out to every school. Teachers being able to refuse training , absolute joke.

    The system is set up to fail those who need Support.


    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    They assume everyone living in a deprived area is a crap parent who doesn't give their child boundaries and needs to go on parenting classes.


    "identification with ASN might lead to unnecessary labelling of transient difficulties with potentially stigmatising effects."



    Rubbish. It's not as if it would be announced to all their peers. If a child needs support they need support, you can't not give it in case they get teased. And all of this attitude is down to the cock-up that is inclusion. If children with certain needs were in specialist schools there would be no 'concerns' about stigma!

    "middle class parents may be able to engage more actively with educational professionals, enabling them to secure better support for their children and challenge local authority decisions. Children with less assertive parents, often from less advantaged
    backgrounds, may have their difficulties ignored and parents may lack the social and
    economic resources to secure the type of legal redress associated with a CSP"



    Blatant elitist discrimination.

    "Children from the least advantaged neighbourhoods are more than twice as likely to be identified with social, emotional, and behavioural difficulties, a particularly stigmatising label."



    Well that describes autism, so they could be admitting that children in those areas are less likely to be correctly diagnosed!


    http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21696928-children-rich-world-are-far-more-likely-be-diagnosed-autism-past-why

    The figures in Korea are terrifying. I in 38. I believe UK figures quoted are way out due to the lack of recognition of so many people over the years . With the endemic failure to recognise I really believe by my experience working as a parental helper in schools for so many years that figure could be anywhere between 1 in 20 or even lower in some areas .

    This is what Scottish Government were trying to explain about the Class System and failed !

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/194/6/500.long

    "Prevalence of autism-spectrum conditions: UK school-based population study" 2009 study by Simon Baron-Cohen et al.

    "By adjusting the estimate derived from the SEN register (that is, based on whole classes and not a 29% response) for the additional number of cases that would be expected if all the children were directly observed, the prevalence estimate is 157 per 10 000 or 1 in 64 (95% CI 99–246).

    Overall, for boys and girls together, for every three known cases, there are at least two undiagnosed cases of autism-spectrum conditions in the primary school population, or a ratio of 3:2 (known:unknown). There is no evidence of a difference in the undetected estimate of cases for boys and girls, despite a clear difference in the overall ratio of boys:girls with autism-spectrum conditions."



    My maths is awful, but perhaps someone could calculate the overall expected figure from those bolded bits.
  • Holly59
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    http://www.parliament.scot/S5_PublicPetitionsCommittee/Submissions 2017/PE1625I_North_Ayrshire_Health_and_Social_Care_Partnership.pdf

    http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01625

    PEO1625i

    Please feel free to decipher what this means .

    Additional information doing a quick Google .

    http://www.careinspectorate.com/berengCareservices/html/reports/getPdfBlob.php?id=285234

    Mentioned in this report from North Ayrshire , Page 18 , that people had attended a PDA training course to help a foster child .

    Where staff identi ed training it was sourced and also offered to foster carers as standard. A recent training course was accessed in pathological demand avoidance in order to better understand service delivery for a young person and was attended by the staff member and foster carer. This approach to providing training created excellent opportunities for foster carers to explore current concepts and network with other professionals. The staff team delivered a large amount of informed in-house training and were in the process of developing more programs as the needs of foster carers developed. Where foster carers had asked for speci c training to support their understanding of the needs of a child or young person placed with them, the service either outsourced the training or developed an in-house program drafting in stakeholders, where appropriate. Foster carers consistently told us that the training provided to them was exceptional and integral to them being able to do their job effectively and meet the needs of the children and young people. Furthermore, that the staff team regularly went above and beyond what they would expect .

    Additional Support Needs Submissions Pack - Scottish Parliament
    www.parliament.scot › S5_Education
    17 Feb 2017 - Language Impairment/Pathological Demand Avoidance/Sensory Processing. Disorder due to our ...... her P7 year, North Ayrshire Council provided tutors home for approx 4 hours per week. This was ...

    I am not looking though masses of pages of this document, it's already been mentioned on here , just copied this extract from Google .

    http://www.parliament.scot/S5_Education/General Documents/20170222ESASNSubmissions.pdf


    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    So...good old foster carers got PDA support that the birth parents never did, along with a hefty weekly payment that likewise, the birth parents never did...
  • Holly59
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    A school in North Ayrshire has arranged with the LA to provide home tuition for a PDAer because of the comment from the submission to,Parliament and Additional Needs . P7 is the top class in Primary .

    It would be interesting to know if a CAMHS had given a diagnosis, or the child had been referred to Yorkhill, or it was private diagnosis . The positive thing about Scotland is that a diagnosis is not required and if school has implemented correctly the Additional Support for Learning Act and GIRFEC .

    We must be able to find out somehow . At least we have evidence at Parliament from the Additional Needs Submission which is brilliant

    Between the lines of the submission my understanding is that they are starting to recognise PDAers although it's not formally in the manuals . Really disjointed and ambiguous Report.

    Found some more information googling and I am going to contact a PDAer mum later who lives in North Ayrshire .

    Detective Pat is on the Case .

    Pat xx



  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    So...good old foster carers got PDA support that the birth parents never did, along with a hefty weekly payment that likewise, the birth parents never did...



    It would be interesting to know if the PDA was recognised before the child was taken into care. I have been at that stage where I nearly threw the eldest out out the house into a homeless unit . The guilt will live with me the rest of my life but I will 100% back any parent who leaves . I can understand how you can feel Absolutly nothing for a child who is violent and cruel Day and after Day and destroys your family .

    Tragically without the correct support its survival of the fittest .

    I have personally seen two sides of foster Carers , one good , the other Absolutly Shocking with a tragic outcome . So many truths hidden . I am not going to let that happen. There is a time and place to expose the truth.

    Pat xx

  • Holly59
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    Email received from Parliament.

    Dear Pat,

    The Public Petitions Committee has received two submission on your petition from:

    · PE1625/H: NHS Western Isles submission of 27 April 2017 (44KB pdf)
    · PE1625/I: North Ayrshire Health & Social Care Partnership submission of 28 April 2017 (118KB pdf)

    If you wish to send us a written response to the submissions, then please do so by 2 June 2017. We do ask that, if you would like to provide a written response to the submissions received, you submit one consolidated response and that your response be no more than three sides of A4.

    Please note that all submissions are published on the petition webpage in line with the Parliament’s policy on the treatment of written evidence. You can find the policy on the Parliament’s website at: http://www.parliament.scot/help/31037.aspx.

    The Committee is provisionally scheduled to consider your petition again on 15 June 2017



    Detective Mary and I have between us come up with some fantastic information this morning for the North Ayrshire submission.

    All will be revealed in due course .

    Pat xx
  • Holly59
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    East Ayrshire Submission is exactly what we need for Petition Evidence .

    It shows the huge discrepancy between LA . It's brilliant that East Ayrshire will recognise and support.

    Some of it is waffle but it's generally positive .

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    "PDA is not considered a disability in isolation and in order to have a PDA diagnosis there requires, in the first instance to be a diagnosis of Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD)."



    Bizarre comment however, because this means they see it as a behavioural issue and not an ASD sub-type, which it is!

    It means they think it's a pattern of behaviour in some children who have typical ASD. This is incorrect.
  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    "PDA is not considered a disability in isolation and in order to have a PDA diagnosis there requires, in the first instance to be a diagnosis of Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD)."



    Bizarre comment however, because this means they see it as a behavioural issue and not an ASD sub-type, which it is!

    It means they think it's a pattern of behaviour in some children who have typical ASD. This is incorrect.


    I thought you would comment on that . Odd to say the least .

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    I just wouldn't let it lie would I!!! ;))

    Call me a pedant...no actually don't because this is way more important than being pedantry, it's simply incorrect in a very significant way. It confuses the issue and feeds into the misunderstandings and rejection of PDA as an ASD subtype or a condition at all, that is rife everywhere.
  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

    I just wouldn't let it lie would I!!! ;))

    Call me a pedant...no actually don't because this is way more important than being pedantry, it's simply incorrect in a very significant way. It confuses the issue and feeds into the misunderstandings and rejection of PDA as an ASD subtype or a condition at all, that is rife everywhere.



    Can you imagine how many years it's going to take once PDA is formally on the books to give it a description. I agree it's totally confusing .

    I only wish they had left the original separate diagnosis, e.g. Aspbergers, PDA , ADHD . It's so much easier .

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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    Holly59 said:

    I only wish they had left the original separate diagnosis, e.g. Aspbergers, PDA, ADHD. It's so much easier.



    Agree. There are brain differences between HFA and AS and also a researcher told me there are differences in research tests between the two as well. So it stands to reason that there will be differences between the subtypes and PDA as we know, is one on it's own! There really was no need to lump it all together and there isn't just one cause of autism so for that reason alone they shouldn't have. The DSM now has SCD (which is classed as non-spectrum) which I think is wrong and results in likely many females especially with AS being undiagnosed I'm sure and I hope the ICD doesn't follow-suit with SCD. Considering the vast heterogenity of ASD to have just one umbrella title is very unhelpful.
  • Holly59
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    http://www.scotlibdems.org.uk/rennie_reveals_appalling_longest_child_mental_health_waits

    Apart from the wait times add on the quality of the staff in the CAMHS. It's OK saying we met our target and then find the staff are poorly trained or clueless then fob you off.

    Also the potential not to see you in the first place.

    http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i3199/rr-0

    For many the only option is to go private . Getting an out of area referral are few and far.

    I can tick both those boxes and somcan can more parents .
  • Holly59
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    http://www.scotborderslibdems.co.uk/support

    Euan Robson, Kris Chapman and myself at Scottish Borders Council doing our bit for the PDA day .

    We actually met before this photo and discussed how we can progress the awareness locally . We all learnt a lot . Networking already started .

    Please share on FB / Twitter . The more PDA and Petition are mentioned the more it's discussed . Ask your local Councillor what are they doing to help ?

    Pat xx
  • PlanetAutism
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  • Holly59
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    PlanetAutism said:

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    Thank you for sharing on your FB page xx

    Was concerned my books didn't get soaked . Kris has borrowed the books and using his networking contacts to the full.Typical Scottish Weather, it was sunny after that , honest.

    Had some explaining why grown men were carrying a Panda around Council Offices . Found it quite amusing but it got the PDA awareness across .

    Pat xx

  • gerry
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    NHS CLINICIAN IN SCOTLAND DIAGNOSES ADULT WITH PDA PRESENTATION

    In response to the above I wish to post the following and I sincerely hope it will help.The Clinician involved has agreed with this being posted on the Forum and for it to be used as evidence for the Petitions Committee. I would like to say a massive thank you to a very caring, compassionate and enlightened NHS professional.

    “My daughter was the first child in Scotland to be diagnosed with Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome, PDA, in 1998 by Professor Elizabeth Newson. She was recently referred to her CMHT to look into her concerns that she may also have OCD. As her local CMHT were unfamiliar with PDA and they sought input and guidance by referring her on to NHS GGC Adult Autism Team. Following a formal assessment by one of the clinicians based at the Centre my daughter's difficulties were diagnosed in the following way”

    Excerpt From Diagnostic Assessment.

    "The assessment concluded that X meets the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's Syndrome ICD 10 F84.5.
    X also meets the diagnostic criteria for Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome as described by Elizabeth Newson.
    Given the imminent change to diagnostic classifications it would be pragmatic to describe X as having an Autism Spectrum Disorder whose presentation falls within the description of PDA.

    CONTACT DETAILS

    NHS GGC ADULT AUTISM TEAM
    EASTWOOD HEALTH AND CARE CENTRE
    DRUMBY CRESCENT
    CLARKSTON
    GLASGOW
    G76 7HN

    Pat please use as evidence for the Petition.

    Geraldine



  • Holly59
    Posts: 1,738
    Gerry you are an absolute " Star " .


    Pat xx

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